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All it needs is a BMW badge and they are ready to go : http://royalenfield.com/motorcycles/...terrain-test-1
Not likely, but it might be some competition for the Chinese GS versions that are now entering the market.
Richard - Current bikes: 2016 BMW R1200RS, 2018 16.6 kWh Zero S, 2011 Royal Enfield Bullet 500 Classic, 2009 BMW F650GS, 2020 KTM 390 Duke, 2002 Yamaha FZ1 (FZS1000N) and a 1978 Honda Kick 'N Go Senior.
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Did you see the r/h footpeg breaking off near the end, just when the bike bottoms out?
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Did you see the r/h footpeg breaking off near the end, just when the bike bottoms out?
Yes, nothing like some real-world testing to verify proper engineering design and assembly quality control. But then if things didn't fall off it wouldn't be an Indian-made Royal Enfield - says someone who owns one. That is what gives them "character".
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Check out this review of the 2015 Royal Enfield Continental GT cafe "racer". Not the most positive review I have ever seen:
https://rideapart.com/articles/live-...continental-gt
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The original Schwartz Wald Troll
I tried a couple models of the Enfield a few years ago Both vibrated so much I wouldn't want to spend more than a few miles on the bike.
I do like the look of them though.
I suppose I should go to the local dealer and test a properly run-in bike. The two I tested were just out of the crate.
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I tried a couple models of the Enfield a few years ago Both vibrated so much I wouldn't want to spend more than a few miles on the bike.
I do like the look of them though.
I suppose I should go to the local dealer and test a properly run-in bike. The two I tested were just out of the crate.
Royal Enfields run a lot better after the debris is drained out of the sump during the first oil change. Most people find pieces of cotton gloves, metal shavings, and just plain gunk that gets into the bike at the factory. (This is probably why BMW decided to hermetically seal their new G310 factory.) The word is that you need to change the oil every 300 miles for the first 1000 miles and around 2K miles the bikes smooth out a bit. But it is best to keep them under 60 mph (keeping in mind that the engine redlines at 80 mph), replace the battery wires, remove the side stand interlock, and do a few other things if you want to go very far. They do look a lot better than they go.
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The original Schwartz Wald Troll
"They do look a lot better than they go."
I knew a girl like that once!
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Bike Bandit on the chances that the Himalayan will sell in the U.S. market:
http://www.bikebandit.com/blog/post/...ield-himalayan
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The Royal Enfield Himalayan was just introduced by the factory. The first 32 minutes consists of hot air. The more interesting part of the video starts around minute 32. It even shows some of the assembly work at the factory. I was really surprised to see that the Himalayan engine actually uses a counter balancer, although they are keeping their famous long-stroke design, so appear to be retaining their usual go-slow and chug along concept. Here is the link to the RE video introducing their new motorcycle model: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMb_HSvGZyo
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I like that bike. It seems to be made just for it's purpose.
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Unfortunately, there are no plans by RE to distribute the Himalayan outside of India right now. But it might compete with BMW's Indian-manufactured G310GS - if they decide to make one and sell it in that country. (Which I expect they will do within a year or two. BMW is going to need a lightweight GS model for worldwide sale and the G310 engine seems to me like a good choice - with the proper re-tuning, of course.)
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Here is a link to more information regarding the Himalayan. Check out the length of the engine's stroke (very long) and the photo of the instrument panel, that includes a compass. Now that is unusual. Even BMW doesn't include a compass on any of their models, not even the GS:
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufactur...-revealed.html
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the photo of the instrument panel, that includes a compass. Now that is unusual. Even BMW doesn't include a compass on any of their models, not even the GS
the compass is optional on the GS, it's called BMW Motorrad Navigator, I think it costs about 1,000 € with the mount.
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Here are the specifications for the Himalayan. I can't recall any new motorcycle engine designed within the past 30 years or so with such an "under-square" design:
Royal Enfield Himalayan Specifications
Engine – Single cylinder, air-cooled, 4 stroke, SOHC
Displacement – 411cc
Bore x Stroke – 78mm x 86mm
Compression Ratio – 9.5:1
Maximum Power – 24.5 BHP (18.02 KW) @ 6500 rpm
Maximum Torque – 32 NM (23.6 LB FT) @ 4000 – 4500 rpm
Ignition system – TCI, multi-curve
Clutch – Wet, multi-plate
Gearbox – 5 speed constant mesh
Lubrication – Wet sump
Fueling – Carburetor with throttle position sensor
Engine start – Electric
Chassis and Suspension
Type – Half-duplex split cradle frame
Front suspension – Telescopic, 41mm fork, 200mm travel (7.874 in.)
Rear suspension – Monoshock with linkage, 180mm wheel travel (7.087 in.)
Dimensions
Wheelbase – 1465mm (57.6 in.)
Ground clearance – 220mm (8.66 in.)
Length – 2190mm (86.2 in.)
Width – 840mm (33.07 in.)
Seat height – 800mm (31.49 in.)
Height – 1360mm (flyscreen top) (53.54 in.)
Curb weight – 182 kg (401 lbs)
Fuel capacity – 15+/- 0.5 lts (3.9 gal.)
Brakes and Tires
Front tire – 90/90 – 21″
Rear tire – 120/90 – 17″
Front brakes – 300mm disc, 2-piston floating caliper
Rear brakes – 240mm disc, single piston floating caliper
Electrical system – 12 volt – DC
Battery – 12 volt, 8 AH VRLA
Headlamp – 12V H4 60 / 55 W
Taillamp – LED
Colors – Granite and Snow
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Just for fun, I looked up the bore and stroke dimensions of the 1960 350 Panther (very much a long-stroke engine company). The dimensions of that engine were 71mm X 88mm, which is not far off of the 411cc Himalayan at 78mm X 86mm. It looks like Royal Enfield is following in their footsteps. Maybe that is the type of engine design that you need to pass the latest emission regulations with an air-cooled engine? Too bad Panther died around the same time that the English version of Royal Enfield did - probably of the same long-stroke disease.
Richard - Current bikes: 2016 BMW R1200RS, 2018 16.6 kWh Zero S, 2011 Royal Enfield Bullet 500 Classic, 2009 BMW F650GS, 2020 KTM 390 Duke, 2002 Yamaha FZ1 (FZS1000N) and a 1978 Honda Kick 'N Go Senior.
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The Royal Enfield Himalayan has finally reached our shores (at least two Indian versions have) and has been reviewed by Cycle World magazine:
http://www.cycleworld.com/royal-enfi...ession#page-11
Of course, if it ever comes here good luck finding a Royal Enfield dealer near you.
Richard - Current bikes: 2016 BMW R1200RS, 2018 16.6 kWh Zero S, 2011 Royal Enfield Bullet 500 Classic, 2009 BMW F650GS, 2020 KTM 390 Duke, 2002 Yamaha FZ1 (FZS1000N) and a 1978 Honda Kick 'N Go Senior.
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This looks to be a practical and interesting bike. If only a 650cc version? It comes in above the CSC though in size and may fill a niche.
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All you needed to keep the REs I knew as a lad on the road was a hammer, a screw driver and some wire. (Gaffer tape wasn't invented....)
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TheMeteor
This looks to be a practical and interesting bike. If only a 650cc version? It comes in above the CSC though in size and may fill a niche.
The Hymalayan is a 410cc single and makes less power than their current 500 single, which produces about 19hp at the rear wheel. The Hymalayan probably produces around 15 hp. The current model appears to be designed for the Indian market as a useful piece of rough-road transport. It even comes with a sari guard for the rear wheel for when you carry your skirted lady friend sidesaddle (to keep her dress out of the rear wheel/chain works). I heard that the second recall for the bike, after some noisy rocker issue, was regarding the sari guard. Apparently it wasn't designed or manufactured quite right.
The current RE isn't much different and still needs a hammer and screwdriver to repair and service, but it does have a simple fuel injection system that requires a bit of modern knowledge if it goes bad (which happens infrequently). However, as it comes from the factory, a new battery is needed and the battery wires also will need to be replaced (they break after about 300 miles of riding). Break-in speed is 30 mph (about 2000 rpm) and oil change intervals are 300 miles, until all of the manufacturing debris is finally removed from the engine, which includes pieces of cotton gloves that find their way into the engine when the workers are installing the roller and ball bearings into the hot engine case.
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I think the CSC turns 25hp claimed - about same as claimed on the Enfield. Only about $3900...but no dealers at all.
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TheMeteor
I think the CSC turns 25hp claimed - about same as claimed on the Enfield. Only about $3900...but no dealers at all.
Claimed power is one thing, power at the rear wheel is another. When Motorcycle Consumer News tested the 2010 Royal Enfield 500 G5, it made 19 hp at the rear wheel. When they tested the 535cc Continental GT (with a "sports" muffler) it produced just under 20 hp, as I recall. So far RE has 22 dealers in the U.S., but only three on the entire west coast. Last year they had something like 100 dealers in the U.S. Attached are two photos of my RE dealer taken in February.
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On the hp, that was my point...probably about the same real-world horsepower (anemic). Probably fine for puttering on backwoods and dirt. I like the design and functionality of the Himalayan....just need more power for me.
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Here is a link to a pleasant short video commercial for the RE Himalayan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oc0-Ndu_rzI
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Hopefully the bike is as well done.
BMW F800S…….
There is no words to adequately describe the batshit crazies....
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Roadpizza
Hopefully the bike is as well done.
No doubt it will be perfect for its Indian customers, but I doubt that 15 hp from a very-long-stoke single is going to make big inroads into the North American or European markets. It does look practical for knocking slowly around the hinterlands (if you can find any), though.
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I like the concept a lot.... just needs some more juice. Seems very practical and utilitarian .
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I have a 2016 Himalayan that I bought in Delhi new last year in Delhi. My son in law still has it in Srinigar and has told me that 1st 2nd and 3rd are really hard to shift in and out now. I suspect clutch issues but dont know. Anybody on this thread have any input on this?
BTW this is my first post. I love this forum. Last month I bought a F700GS because my Himalayan is still in India and now I want to Adventure Tour Here too!
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I have a 2016 Himalayan that I bought in Delhi new last year in Delhi. My son in law still has it in Srinigar and has told me that 1st 2nd and 3rd are really hard to shift in and out now. I suspect clutch issues but dont know. Anybody on this thread have any input on this?
BTW this is my first post. I love this forum. Last month I bought a F700GS because my Himalayan is still in India and now I want to Adventure Tour Here too!
If you are interested in Royal Enfields, Dale, you definitely will want to check out this site. Lots of information about all of the Royal Enfield models and some stuff about the Himalayan, but it tends to be scattered around the site's other threads a bit. In general the Himalayan is not getting a lot of love on the forum, although it is true that hardly anyone outside India owns one and has firsthand experience with the bike: https://forum.classicmotorworks.com/...action=forum#2
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Apparently the Royal Enfield factory has too many assembly workers and not enough inspection staff. Its back to the drawing board for their new Himalayan model:
http://bikeadvice.in/re-discontinued...ut-all-issues/
I bet this isn't going to happen with BMW's new Indian-made G310 models.
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There was some honda or something I think called a Sherpa that looked allot like that. Their products are really cheap though. They are the Hugo of motorcycles.
They were discontinued but I see nothing about a recall. Right not there's some Indian guy stuck in the mountains of Nepal because his frame broke.. berry bad.. berry berry bad bike
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Amazing that in this day and age - they would release crap like that to production.. From the read, it makes it look like that problems go fully across the board from engine to chassis to fasteners, etc. Enfield is not a small company or some obscure Chinese brand.
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TheMeteor
Amazing that in this day and age - they would release crap like that to production.. From the read, it makes it look like that problems go fully across the board from engine to chassis to fasteners, etc. Enfield is not a small company or some obscure Chinese brand.
Royal Enfield apparently sells about 700,000 "units" a year, mostly 350cc singles and almost all in India. Fortunately for them only a relative few have been the Himalayan.
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tarless
There was some honda or something I think called a Sherpa that looked allot like that. Their products are really cheap though. They are the Hugo of motorcycles.
They were discontinued but I see nothing about a recall. Right not there's some Indian guy stuck in the mountains of Nepal because his frame broke.. berry bad.. berry berry bad bike
Seinfeld reference?
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Thank you Richard230 for the response. My Himalayan is back on the road and running fine. A redesigned clutch assembly replaced under warranty did the trick. There has also been carb, and charging system updates that were performed under warranty as well. As is true with any new model, no matter the brand, there undoubtedly will be issues that need to be addressed. So far RE has responded favorably with those issues when they arise.
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If everyone thinks back, the F800s had a lot of quality control issues when they came out and required recalls.
I like the looks of this bike(back to basics, with some mod cons) and it's getting good reviews here in Aus.
Maybe when i get another bike.......
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Here is a video from India showing a Himalayan having its crankshaft repaired in the jungle. Very creative, although it likely shouldn't have failed in the first place:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwk3L23lIY8
Richard - Current bikes: 2016 BMW R1200RS, 2018 16.6 kWh Zero S, 2011 Royal Enfield Bullet 500 Classic, 2009 BMW F650GS, 2020 KTM 390 Duke, 2002 Yamaha FZ1 (FZS1000N) and a 1978 Honda Kick 'N Go Senior.
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Thanks for the video, enjoyed it, the dialog is xlnt.
Yeah, sometimes shit happens.
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This was just posted on the Royal Enfield forum:
One of the benefits of buying a Royal Enfield Bullet is you soon become a Mechanic, but within a short period of owning a Himalayan you get to become a Master Technician.
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Here is a link to a decent article regarding the Royal Enfield Himalayan by someone who apparently hasn't ridden the bike. For the money, it seems like it could be useful for easy back-road and dirt trail adventures. Likely not so great on the freeway, though. A nice RE video add is included with the blog: https://www.revzilla.com/common-trea...to-us-for-2018
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Here is a ride review of the Himalayan that you might find informative. It looks like the bike will be selling for about $1000 less than the G310GS - if you can find a Royal Enfield dealer, that is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq8TLZH8fHM
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Ready or not, BMW G310GS, here it comes (if only you can find a dealer) : http://blog.motorcycle.com/2018/03/0...alayan-almost/
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After my lark with the Royal Enfield.....I question the build quality and metals.
Enfields have their charm but, parts made from pot metal is not one of them.....
BMW F800S…….
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Here is what Rider magazine has to say about the Himalayan. It seems like a pretty fair review: http://ridermagazine.com/2018/03/14/...t-ride-review/
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Here is another comparison test. This one by Motorcycle.com. They compare the Himalayan with the BMW G310GS and the Kawasaki Versys X-300 and ride all three bikes down to Baja and back. The included video is entertaining. The only problem that they had with the Himalayan was that the compass didn't work right (surprise!) and the transmission lost first gear on the way back. The review includes a dyno test of all three motorcycles.
http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs...ield-himalayan
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some days ago I've seen a brand new Himalayan in Palermo, it's quite small, smaller than I've supposed, and the saddle is not high. seems a good bike for our roads and could be good all to wander along the paths of our countryside.
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